This is a HeadGum Podcast. I don't know what you think I don't know what you say

and that's all right

yeah that's okay

I don't know anything.

Hello, welcome to factually, I'm Adam Conover.

And, you know, a couple weeks ago, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg passed away.

I know, you thought this election couldn't possibly be crazier than the one we had in 2016.

Well, here we are a month out from election day,

one of the most impactful justices in Supreme Court history dies.

You know, Scalia at least gave us, you know,

10 months or so. This time, things are a little bit more hectic.

Well, you know, one of the things that really stood out to me when Ruth Bader Ginsburg passed

was the way she was described in the press. They kept describing her over and over again as the

courts feminist icon. And it begged the question for me, what exactly do we mean by that?

Because the way that slogan was used,

it felt a little flattening, didn't it?

It just like puts her in this little box.

It sounds like, Ra Ra. I am woman, hear me roar,

you go girl, it has all those associations for us.

But the truth is, that feminism is a much deeper idea than that with a much longer intellectual history.

And it's one that for most of my life I frankly have been ignorant of.

And I want to own that, you know, I want to be clear, I'm a man here talking with my man voice about feminism. It makes you a little uncomfortable, maybe. It certainly makes me a little bit uncomfortable. And I want to drill into why that is because I was brought up

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