How to Think About the Future (Part 3): Uphill Futures in a Downhill World | Frankly 145
The Great Simplification with Nate Hagens
Nate Hagens
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🗓️ 5 June 2026
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This week's Frankly is part three of the series How to Think About the Future. Today, Nate builds a framework for understanding the pathways that connect today's choices to tomorrow's realities. Drawing from biology, ecology, history, and systems thinking, he introduces a civilizational terrain of ridges and valleys that is constantly shifting as we are moving through it. Nate also uses the concepts of switchbacks and erosion to explain why some futures emerge by default from existing incentives and momentum, while others require deliberate effort, coordination, and sustained commitment.
Through examples that range from cell development to lake ecosystems to political systems, Nate examines how complex systems settle into stable states, and why some transitions are far easier to make than to reverse. As economic, geopolitical, and ecological pressures reshape the landscape we traverse, knowing which futures are downhill and which require climbing becomes increasingly important. The episode offers a conceptual tool for interpreting the composite worlds Nate will outline in the next part of the series, and invites listeners to consider both where they stand in the terrain and whether their daily actions are building pathways toward a more desirable future, or letting those paths erode.
How do societies become trapped in self-reinforcing systems, and what does that look like in our current reality? Which futures seem most likely if present incentives and momentum hold? And which social, cultural, or ecological switchbacks are being built today that could open new possibilities tomorrow
(Recorded May 22nd, 2026)
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| 0:00.0 | Good morning. This is part three of how to think about the future, where I'm going to talk about how to build a systems terrain map of the various pathways to various |
| 0:23.5 | futures. I keep making the series longer because as most of you tuning in here feel, we're |
| 0:32.0 | approaching a really serious juncture in our global economic situation and our culture. |
| 0:40.3 | And I really want more people to be able to visualize, discuss, and engage with all the |
| 0:47.3 | unknowns steering towards life and continuity and away from dystopia. |
| 1:00.5 | Though some dystopian things are probably now baked in, indeed are happening now. |
| 1:03.8 | So a quick recap so far. |
| 1:09.8 | In part one, we talked about how to hold the future as a landscape of possibilities. |
| 1:15.6 | Coupled systems and phase shifts and shortfall risks. In part two, we built four grids of variables that will be core components in shaping the future. |
| 1:22.6 | Economic direction, up or down, power and distribution, geopolitics, and earth systems. |
| 1:30.3 | And we highlighted why technology is neither good nor bad, but an amplifier of whatever system it sits inside. |
| 1:40.3 | In part four, the next video, I'm going to combine sections of those four grids into |
| 1:47.7 | composite worlds, specific futures descriptive enough that you can feel the difference between |
| 1:54.2 | what it might be for us to live inside one versus another. |
| 1:59.5 | But before I do that, I decided to add one more conceptual tool. Because |
| 2:04.9 | those composites I'm going to build are not only just a list of possible futures sitting |
| 2:11.0 | side by side with equal likelihood. They all will reside in a landscape. And the shape of that landscape, |
| 2:21.7 | which valleys are deep and which ridges are steep and hard to cross, and which directions |
| 2:29.1 | flow downhill or uphill from where we stand right now, I think matters enormously to understand |
| 2:35.3 | which futures we're most likely to arrive at if we do nothing and what it will take to climb |
| 2:42.9 | towards the futures we want. |
| 2:46.4 | So all these concepts come from biology and ecology and are, in my opinion, pretty useful for thinking about where human civilization might be headed. |
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