Welcome to betrayal trauma recovery. I'm Anne. It's summer and I remember being so excited thinking my

marriage would improve as we spent quality time together on that road trip or family reunion. If you end up

having the same experience I did where vacations left me feeling more hopeless and scared because I

found out on one of those trips that my husband was using explicit material and lying to me about it.

We're here for you every day all summer long.

You don't have to schedule an appointment or wait.

You can hop on one of our daily group sessions from anywhere.

We're an empathetic team of betrayal trauma professionals and we can help you right away.

Our daily group session support is the safest space for women to focus on their

healing without fear of being traumatized by a therapist or clergy who might seem to think that

you're part of the problem. You're not and you're not alone. If you're ready to join a community

of women who truly understand, check out our group session schedule at BTR.org slash group.

We'd love to see you today.

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help other women find it. Follow on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Together we can reach every woman who

needs to hear this. I'm so excited to have Natalie Hoffman on today's episode. She's the host of the Flying Free podcast,

which is a podcast dedicated to teaching women about emotional and spiritual abuse.

She's also the author of All the Scary Little Gods, and I'm so excited to have her on today.

Welcome, Natalie. Thank you so much. I'm excited to be here. You're amazing. I've always appreciated your work,

especially all the really interesting and just fascinating deconstruction that you do with spiritual

abuse. I love it. You're so smart. And it's just, it's fun to have you here. let's start out by talking about your new book all the

scary little gods i wanted to tell my story the reason why is because i wanted to help women who

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