How to Talk to Your Christian Nationalist Friends and Family (and Those You Don't Like)
Sons of Patriarchy
Peter Bell & Sarah Bader
4.2 • 649 Ratings
🗓️ 22 January 2026
⏱️ 77 minutes
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Our scheduled episode for tomorrow has to be pushed back to next week (the reason why will be apparent when you listen), so I pulled this one out of the hopper!
I spoke with Caleb Campbell of Disarming Leviathan and Pastor of Desert Springs Bible Church in Phoenix, Arizona.
Need some sanity in this age of extreme political unrest, the takeover of our government, self-professed Christ Nationalists climbing the political ladder, all the while you're trying to figure out your friend or family member who seems to be enamored with it all?
This is the conversation you need.
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| 0:30.7 | Welcome to Sons of Patriarchy. I'm your host, Peter Bell. Sons of Patriarchy exist to expose |
| 0:37.2 | the hidden power structures behind Christian |
| 0:39.2 | nationalism. Through survivor testimonies, shared storytelling, and honest expert critiques from |
| 0:45.6 | across political, theological, and cultural spectrums, we shine light on systems of abuse |
| 0:52.2 | and authoritarian control principally focused on Doug Wilson of Moscow, Idaho, |
| 0:56.6 | and the movements he has founded and influenced, as well as across reformed and conservative churches. |
| 1:02.4 | Our goal is not just to inform, how did we get here, and what do we do about it, |
| 1:07.8 | but to spark meaningful conversations in homes, faith communities, |
| 1:12.4 | and public spaces about what a healthier, freer, and more just society can look like. |
| 1:19.2 | Together, we can dismantle harmful narratives and build communities of mutual respect and diversity. |
| 1:27.2 | Sons of Patriarchy aims to do what Doug cannot. |
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