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Reasons Revisited

How to talk to a climate denier

Reasons Revisited

Geoff Lloyd

Society & Culture, Government, News, Politics

4.82.6K Ratings

🗓️ 16 January 2023

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Hello! This week we’re talking about climate misinformation and how we tackle it. Mis- and disinformation about the climate crisis is not new: since the 1970s industry players and fossil fuel giants have been denying the reality of climate change in order to sow confusion and polarise public support for taking action. Delay is the new denial, according to Jennie King, who talks to us about some of the arguments used to delay action on climate change. Professor Sander van der Linden tells us about the psychology of misinformation spread and why social media has only turbocharged it. Finally, Sean Buchan talks to us about the grassroots campaign Stop Funding Heat which aims to make climate misinformation unprofitable.


Plus: Geoff goes on a gastronomic journey with Ed's latest cooking attempt.


Guests

Jennie King, Head of Climate Research and Policy, Institute for Strategic Dialogue (@jkingy@ISDglobal)

Professor Sander van der Linden, Professor of Social Psychology, University of Cambridge (@Sander_vdLinden)

Sean Buchan, Campaign Director, Stop Funding Heat (@seanforachange@stopfundingheat)


More info

What is climate mis-/disinformation?

Deny, deceive, delay: documenting and responding to climate disinformation at COP26 and beyond Report from the ISD

Taxonomy of climate contrarian claims Academic paper: Coan, Boussalis, Cook, Nanko

Discourses of Climate Delay Comic by Céline Keller

Climate Action Against Disinformation 

Pre-order a copy of Sander's book Foolproof: Why we fall for misinformation and how to build immunity

Stop Funding Heat Campaign


Other resources

DeSmog Journalism to clear the 'PR Pollution' clouding the science and solutions to climate change

Skeptical science Website set up by academic Jon Cook to examine the science and arguments of climate scepticism


Ed and Geoff mentioned:

Three policies making life in Paris better for children



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Transcript

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0:00.0

This episode of Reasons to Be Chirphal is brought to you by the newsmeeting from Podimo and Tortoise.

0:05.2

This is a new podcast that I'm really excited about. It is a brilliant idea.

0:10.0

In each episode, you hear three journalists pitching their idea of what the most important story of the week is.

0:17.0

And this is basically what happens every day in every newsroom in the world.

0:21.8

And you get to be a fly on the wall. It is heated, it's competitive, it's informed, it's passionate, it's funny sometimes.

0:28.2

You're going to love it. So they're pitching to James Harding, who hosts the podcast and makes the decisions on what leads, what follows, and in what order.

0:37.6

And he is the real deal. He's the co-founder and editor-in-chief of Tortoise Media.

0:42.4

He used to be director of BBC News and the editor at the times before that.

0:45.8

So he lives and breeds this stuff. And it is just fascinating to get to look under the bonnet of a newsroom at this kind of level.

0:54.9

Case you didn't catch the name at the beginning, it's called the news meeting.

0:58.6

And you can listen wherever you get your podcasts and follow the feed for new episodes every Friday.

1:14.7

This is Reasons to Be cheerful with Ed Millivand and Jeff Lyd.

1:19.0

Hello! Hello, how are you?

1:21.4

I've gone up this morning and looked outside at seven and it was totally dark and I thought, oh.

1:28.6

Do you know who I blame for how depressing this time of year is?

1:32.0

No. The pagans gone.

1:34.7

Because they obviously were aware of the darkest time of year coming, the winter solstice.

1:40.4

Yeah.

1:40.8

And they started building celebration around it and eventually that became Christmas.

1:45.6

But they didn't think about coming out the other side, coming out the dip.

1:50.0

So you've got all this stuff around the winter solstice and building up to it and then nothing after it.

1:55.1

The upswing is the best thing you can say, isn't it?

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