I'm Peter Martin, and I'm Adam Manus. Welcome to the You'll Hear It podcast.

Today we're going to tell you how to swing.

I think we might be inviting the jazz police in on this one because I don't think we're supposed to talk about this.

Didn't we deal with them like 10 episodes ago, though? We did. Okay. I think we're safe to jump in

there. Okay. So how to swing? I think we should first just, well first of all, this is one of

those areas where people say it can't be taught. There's a lot of mystery surrounding it and like

what is swing and you've got to feel it and you've got to live in a horrible neighborhood and be shot seven times before. Oh, no, that's the blues, I guess. Right. No, but I mean, it's kind of an area that, you know, musicians, jazz musicians, it's been kind of an esoteric area. And I don't think it needs to be because I really do believe that you can learn how to

swing. I mean, teaching it, can you just hand somebody a checklist and say, read this, do this, and then you'll be able to swing? No. But I think that we can help give you a few tips in order to be able for you to develop and sort of teach yourself to swing and then have some comparisons to see as you get closer to that goal.

I think that's fair, but let's tread lightly.

Okay, sounds good.

Okay, so the first tip we have for you to develop how to swing is very simple.

Listen to swing.

What?

Yeah, so, I mean, how are you going to know how to get to the promised land unless you have a map on how to get there?

And the best map to do that is to be listening so that you have some comparison in terms of what the sound is.

So it's like, how do you learn how to speak Spanish?

Well, yeah, you can read books about it.

You can talk to people about it in other languages.

But the best way is to listen to it a lot and And really, you know, swing sort of typifies what the jazz sound is. And there's a lot of different ways to swing, of course, but in general, you want to be listening to it so that you can identify it. Now, that doesn't mean just because you listen to it a lot, you're going to be able to do it. But at least you're going to be able to know if you're not doing it.

And then as you get better at it, you'll have some comparison and see if you can get there or not. That's right. I mean, you won't be able to do it unless you listen to it, that's for sure. That's right. The other tip is to listen to different types of swing. You know what Louis Armstrong and Robert Glass were having common?

They're both swinging.

Do they sound anything like each other?

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