How To Survive The CIA: Pardon, Prison & Surveillance
The Dr. Phil Podcast
Dr. Phil McGraw
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ποΈ 8 September 2025
β±οΈ 24 minutes
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Summary
Former CIA officer John Kiriakou reveals the true cost of exposing torture, legal battles, prison time, and life after whistleblowing.
In Part Two of Dr. Phil's conversation with John Kiriakou, the former CIA officer who blew the whistle on torture, we dive deeper into the personal and political fallout of speaking truth to power. Kiriakou opens up about the realities of the Whistleblower Protection Act, the harsh consequences of challenging the CIA, and his time in federal prison. He and Dr. Phil also confront the rise of government surveillance and privacy concerns, and reflect on how U.S. policy shifted in the wake of 9/11.
Now an advocate and author, Kiriakou shares what drives his work today and the lessons learned from paying the ultimate price for exposing hidden truths.
π A gripping episode on courage, consequence, and the fight for accountability.
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| 0:00.0 | We have a whistleblower protection law in this country called the Federal Whistleblower Protection Act. |
| 0:08.0 | But unfortunately, national security whistleblowers are exempt from its protections. |
| 0:13.9 | And so if a person who works for, let's say, the CIA, the Pentagon, the FBI, DEA, one of the congressional oversight committees, |
| 0:26.0 | the intelligence committees on Capitol Hill, if they want to make a revelation, there is no way |
| 0:32.4 | to make a protected revelation. For example, we're told to go through our chains of command. But if your |
| 0:40.0 | chain of command is what is violating the law, there's really nowhere to go, but the media. And if |
| 0:46.0 | you go to the media, of course, you risk a criminal charge, you risk bankruptcy, you risk |
| 0:53.1 | your career, everything. This is something that I feel |
| 0:56.3 | very strongly about that we need to correct up on Capitol Hill. There have to be protections |
| 1:01.6 | implemented for national security whistleblowers. So you're saying there's no accountability. |
| 1:08.0 | No way for anybody that's in those services to reach out for any kind of |
| 1:17.1 | protection. If you feel like things are happening within the service that are illegal, |
| 1:25.0 | anti-American, anything at all that you feel like should have oversight, there's |
| 1:30.2 | nowhere for you to go. There's nowhere for you to go. And I'll give you an example. |
| 1:34.3 | Thomas Drake was a member of the Senior Intelligence Service at NSA, the National Security Administration, |
| 1:42.2 | National Security Agency. |
| 1:53.4 | And he found solid evidence of illegality, that is the interception of communications of American citizens without a warrant. |
| 1:55.1 | So he went to the Inspector General. |
| 1:57.8 | The Inspector General was not read into the compartment compartment and so said he just didn't know |
| 2:03.5 | what Tom was talking about. He then went to the General Counsel. The General Counsel told him |
| 2:08.1 | that this was above his pay grade and he should just stop. So then he went to the Pentagon |
| 2:13.0 | Inspector General because NSA, of course, is a component of the Pentagon. The Pentagon Inspector General told NSA, hey, you have a rogue employee who came here to |
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