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How to survive and thrive as tariffs, AI, and politics unsettle the rules of business

Equity

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4.2 • 365 Ratings

🗓️ 23 April 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Trump’s tariffs have upended global trade and created an environment of uncertainty. But this situation wasn’t created in a vacuum. The rules of business have been shifting for years as technology moves quicker than regulation, geopolitics descend into turmoil, and the law erodes and becomes weaponized.  Businesses might be asking themselves, how are they meant to keep their heads above water? And what can they do to fight back?   Hence AI co-founder Sean West has some answers. With a team spread across the U.K., Rwanda, the U.S., and the Netherlands, the London-based startup has raised $5.2 million to date with a mission to democratize access to high-level business intelligence—something traditionally reserved for the biggest companies with the biggest budgets. Today on Equity, Rebecca Bellan sat down with West, who recently published the book Unruly: Fighting Back When Politics, AI, and Law Upend the Rules of Business, to dig into how companies should respond to rising geopolitical risk, the macro cost of keeping your head down, and why AI-powered tools like Hence Global, built on Palantir’s Foundry platform, are quietly redefining what it means to be “advised.”  Listen to the full episode to hear more about: What businesses are getting wrong about tariffs and political risk. How companies can go on the offensive to thrive in the chaos.  Why patriotism can shield companies, but comes with a cost. Why law firms and consultants are some of Hence’s earliest adopters. The broader implications of “democratizing access” to geopolitical risk intel. Equity is TechCrunch’s flagship podcast, produced by Theresa Loconsolo, and posts every Wednesday and Friday.  Subscribe to us on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod. For the full episode transcript, for those who prefer reading over listening, check out our full archive of episodes here. Credits: Equity is produced by Theresa Loconsolo with editing by Kell. We’d also like to thank TechCrunch’s audience development team. Thank you so much for listening, and we'll talk to you next time. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

This episode is brought to you by Affinity, the most trusted CRM for private capital.

0:17.6

Hello and welcome back to Equity, TechCrunch's flagship podcast about the business of startups.

0:22.1

I'm Rebecca Boulon, and this is the episode where we bring on industry experts to help us explore a trend in the tech world and dive deep.

0:28.8

Today we're joined by Sean West, the co-founder of Hensaii, and author of Unruly, Fighting Back when politics, AI, and law upend the rules of business.

0:37.8

In his book, Sean explains that we're living in what he calls an unruly world,

0:41.4

one in which geopolitics, law, and technological innovation all intertwined to create a world that's

0:46.1

unpredictable and unstable. As a result, the traditional rules of business are about to come

0:50.5

crashing down in ways that we're already seeing. We need look no further than Trump's

0:54.7

tariffs and similar policies to see the increased geopolitical risks that businesses face. If that sounds

1:00.3

scary, it's because it kind of is. But Sean is here with some solutions and toolkits for business

1:05.1

leaders to stay agile and manage the fallout. So without further ado, Sean, welcome to the show.

1:10.2

Thanks so much. It's a

1:11.0

pleasure to be here. I'm so excited to meet with you for those who don't know, because why would

1:15.2

you know? Sean and I met in person, actually, a few weeks ago at like a very cool dinner in New York

1:20.5

City. And Sean talked about his book. And I was like, wow, I just got to have you on the show

1:24.6

because it seems like so relevant, such perfect timing.

1:28.3

There's so much going on geopolitically that is affecting businesses in ways that we just haven't

1:32.8

seen before. I'm curious, like, what brought you to that? Like, what is your background besides

1:36.9

doing hence, which we'll get into a little bit later? But what's your background? Like, why are you

1:41.1

the expert on this topic? Yeah, so I spent about 15 years in the geopolitical

1:46.3

risk industry, which for those who don't know, is an industry of political scientists who decide

1:52.7

that they wanted to make money and didn't want to do lobbying. So they built different entities.

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