This is the 10% Happier Podcast. I'm Dan Harris.

Hello, my fellow suffering beings, how we doing today?

On this episode, we're talking about how to succeed sanely without getting stuck on a hamster wheel of toxic productivity, without clinging to your preconceived notions about how things are supposed to be, and without being paralyzed by the brute fact of impermanence and uncertainty.

My guest is the neuroscientist and entrepreneur and Laura LaCalfe,

who conducts research into the neuroscience of learning and curiosity at King's College, London,

and is the author of a book called Tiny Experiments, How to Live Freely in a Goal Obsessed World.

We talk about her critique of our cultural obsession with finding your purpose, the value of

knowing your cognitive scripts, practical tools to live a more curious and fulfilled life,

her mini protocol for running experiments based on the scientific

method, mindful productivity as opposed to toxic productivity, whether procrastination is actually

your enemy, the upside of making space for your imperfections, tips for navigating uncertainty,

why you want to avoid having too many experiments going on at the same time.

The main difference between a habit and an experiment. How to learn alongside other people and why that matters.

Collective flow states. Tips for meeting and developing relationships with other people so that you can get into those flow

states with them. And this question, is your legacy important? Just to say super quickly,

before we dive in here, we've got new meditations posting all the time over on my new meditation

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Okay, we'll get started with Ann Laura LaConf right after this.

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