Hello and welcome to The Upgrade, the podcast from the team at LifeHacker, where we help you improve your life one week at a time.

I'm Melissa Kirsch, editor-in-chief of LifeHacker.

And I'm Alice Bradley, Lifehacker's deputy editor.

And today we're chatting with James Clear.

James is the author of Atomic Habits, Tiny Changes, Remarkable Results.

And he's also an entrepreneur.

James spoke with us from his home office in Columbus, Ohio,

about how we can form

new habits in a dramatically altered universe. When life is uncertain, your habits can ground you.

When you're not sure what the future holds or what the next day is going to bring, you can

return to the fundamentals. James is a return guest on the upgrade. He joined us back in May of 2019 around the time when his book Atomic Habits first came out.

Hey, Alice.

Hey, Melissa.

So talk to me.

What's going on over in your neck of the woods?

You know, things are okay.

It's sort of like the adrenaline has worn off.

And it's just kind of like,

this is my life now. I'm home and, and it's fine. You know, it's like when the weather is bad,

I get really depressed because I don't get outside and that's, that's harder. But when the

weather is nice, I'm like, okay, at least we can still, unlike other

countries, right, we can still walk around kind of purposelessly, which is good. I'm really glad for

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