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Brittany Hartley and Bill Rear.

Here we dive deep to the wisdom traditions while acknowledging insightful breakthroughs in

science, psychology, and human development.

Our goal is to explore the good life and the very best of spirituality, no nonsense required.

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All right, folks, here we go. Another episode of the Almost Awaken podcast. If you were expecting to see Britt Hartley

sit next to me, that is not the case. Britt's taken a break for the summer. Jana, how are you doing?

I'm doing great. So excited to be here. Yeah, Jana is collaborating with us for the summer and has been on

before. Folks who remember her from the 12

conversations we had around secular Buddhism and then you were back on for a couple of conversations

about Brian McLaren's book and talking about faith and doubt. But Jan, I'm just super excited to

have a chunk of opportunities here to have really cool conversations with you.

So I guess what's going on in your life and maybe lead us into what we're talking about today.

Okay. Well, I'm just really happy to be here to have these kinds of conversations.

I've always enjoyed conversations with you, Bill.

These are big shoes to fill. I'm a huge fan of Brit and just love everything that you too have brought

to the show. So I'm just excited to be part of these conversations and to bring some people on that I

really admire. So our guest today is someone who is a friend and a colleague

and someone that brings a is bringing a really, really important conversation to how we go about

our lives, our relationships, and our spirituality. I, you know, I have a pretty expansive view of spirituality. I have a coaching

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