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Real. Hey guys, welcome to the real life podcast where we talk about exactly that every single

week, real life, which means some episodes might be about a fight we just had, some episodes might

be about potty training since we have two toddlers, and some might be about eschatological

realism because I love thinking and talking about deep theological things.

And maybe we'll talk about all three of those in one episode.

But we hope the show feels like hanging out in our living room

with us drinking a cup of coffee as we discuss faith and family and culture and Jesus. Me and my lovely

wife Alyssa are your host and don't hesitate to hit us up or reach out on

social media to say hi or comment on this week's episode. Enjoy. What's up guys? I'm Jeff. Welcome back to the real life podcast where we talk about

faith culture and answer your questions. Special treat for today as you guys

know in October we're doing kind of a fun series where I'm going to interview some of mine and

Elissa's friends mentors people from afar people up close people that we love and

look up to and ask them about and kind of see how they are escaping the hustle saying no to hurry,

how they live a deep faithful, flourishing life of following Jesus

when that takes swimming upstream in our culture.

Today that is Jenny Allen.

Jenny, we are so stoked you are here.

Thanks for being on.

You bet.

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