How To Stop 'Having It All' (Before You End Up With Nothing)
How To! with Mike Pesca
Peach Fish Projects
4.3 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 1 March 2022
⏱️ 32 minutes
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Summary
Janey is the very definition of a woman trying to "have it all." She's an occupational therapist by day, a ghost writer for influencers by night and in between co-hosts a podcast. On top of that, she has two sons who play travel sports and a husband who works long hours. It's left Janey wondering if she'll ever catch her breath. On this episode of How To!, we bring on Amy Westervelt, who's no slouch herself. She's a journalist, host of the award-winning podcast Drilled, a busy mom and author of the book Forget "Having It All": How America Messed Up Motherhood, and How to Fix It. She shares with Janey how trying to "have it all" almost left her with nothing. It's advice that all of us can use to rebalance our lives and reprioritize what's important.
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| 0:30.4 | Hi, I am a mom of two, a wife of one. And my question is going to this new year, I feel like I'm on a hamster wheel, just trying to do what I love, but also juggling being a mother. |
| 0:43.3 | And I feel like there's no right answer. |
| 0:46.0 | And I'm so sick of the toxic positivity telling me I can do anything I dream of when the reality is, as a mother of two very busy boys and a wife |
| 0:56.6 | of a very busy husband. I can't do everything I want to do. Welcome to how to. I'm Amanda Ripley. |
| 1:05.3 | So in 1982, Helen Curley Brown published a book called Having It All, Love, Success, Sex, and Money. |
| 1:12.6 | It became a huge bestseller and an enduring cliche. |
| 1:17.6 | Ever since, as we know, women have been trying to have it all and failing. |
| 1:22.6 | Even Brown herself actually hated that title, but it's been really hard to shake. So today, we're going to |
| 1:29.0 | try to forcibly retire this idea and figure out, if we can't have it all, what can we have? |
| 1:36.3 | What is possible in a society that, let's be honest, offers pretty threadbare support to |
| 1:42.4 | working parents? Our listener, Janie from Arizona, who you just |
| 1:46.2 | heard from, she carved out some time in her frenetic schedule to workshop this problem with us. |
| 1:51.8 | So I got married very young, about three months after I graduated high school. I had my son about |
| 1:59.1 | two years later. You know, I went back to work when he was five weeks old and I was |
| 2:03.0 | 19 and I had no idea how to take care of a baby, no idea how to have a full-time job as an adult. |
| 2:09.6 | So I was divorced on my 22nd birthday and then I remarried about two and a half years later. |
| 2:20.8 | When I had my second son, I had to go back to work when he was two weeks old. And I feel like since they both were born, I've never stopped. |
| 2:26.8 | Her sons are now five and twelve. And by day, Janie works as a pediatric occupational therapist. |
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