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How To! | Stop Fawning

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🗓️ 16 December 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

When clinical psychologist, trauma therapist, and complex trauma survivor Dr. Ingrid Clayton learned about fawning — the fourth "F" after fight, flight, and freeze — she felt like this was the missing piece that explained her whole life. On this episode of How To!, Ingrid talks to Courtney Martin about what can happen when you find yourself in a chronic fawning response, and how to break free.

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0:00.0

Think about cheese.

0:01.8

Make your thoughts cheesier.

0:04.2

Now add 100% chicken breast fillet, Chipoplae sauce and amadea cheese melt,

0:08.3

and it's giving the new cheesy chicken stack at McDonald's.

0:12.3

Did we mention it's cheesy?

0:13.9

Cheese!

0:15.8

Availments with the 4th of Jan, 2026 from 11 a.m.

0:18.1

Plus and participation may vary.

0:19.2

Subjects availability.

0:20.3

Before we get started with today's episode, I wanted to give you a heads-up. This conversation

0:25.1

includes brief descriptions of a minor, experiencing abusive power and sexual dynamics from

0:30.9

our parental figure. If that sounds triggering, take care of yourself, and we'll see you next episode.

0:37.8

There comes a point where you don't know where you end and the fawn response begins.

0:43.4

Meanwhile, your family and society, everyone's sort of applauding these behaviors.

0:48.4

We think of it like you're being a good girl, a good kid, going along to get along.

0:53.4

Don't make them upset. Just like these countless

0:55.9

messages, override yourself, override yourself. This is how to. I'm Courtney Martin. I'm guessing

1:06.9

you've heard of fight, flight, or freeze, three responses that many of us have to trauma.

1:13.3

But today we've got a new one for you, or at least it was new to me.

1:17.2

It's called fawning.

1:19.0

When I first heard the word, I imagined a slow, blinking Disney dough trying to convince a hungry

1:24.5

wolf not to eat her.

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