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Getting Better with Jonathan Van Ness

How To Stop Editing Yourself for the Wrong People (with MattLovesHair)

Getting Better with Jonathan Van Ness

Sony Music

Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Comedy, Education

4.9 • 21.6K Ratings

🗓️ 4 March 2026

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

What happens when you meet someone who looks like your long-lost twin… and then they also have an iconic backstory to match?  JVN is joined by Matt Newman (aka MattLovesHair on social media) for one helluva delightful conversation. From photoshoot fiascos, an ANTM-era detour, and Matt’s origin story as an OG Drybar stylist. From there, it’s all the hits - strip club stories, “DollarStoreJVN,” frat hazing, first love, and how social media can shape (and sometimes warp) the way we see ourselves. Then we go deeper: how gender expression evolves, what it takes to feel safe being seen, and the confidence it requires to live more honestly—even when the world has opinions. And yes… JVN talks about potentially chopping their hair off, what it was like cutting their hair back in the day, and what it taught them about identity, control, and change. If you’ve ever felt like you were editing yourself to fit the room, this one will hit—and leave you feeling a little braver. Full Getting Better Video Episodes now available on YouTube.  Follow Matt Newman on Instagram @mattloveshair  Follow us on Instagram @gettingbetterwithjvn Jonathan on Instagram @jvn Executive Producer, Chris McClure Producer, Editor & Engineer is Nathanael McClure Production support from Chad Hall Our theme music is also composed by Nathanael McClure. Check out the JVN Patreon for exclusive BTS content, extra interviews, and much much more - check it out here: www.patreon.com/jvn  Curious about bringing your brand to life on the show? Email podcastadsales@sonymusic.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey, Better Babes, welcome back to Getting Better.

0:02.6

This world is big, it's expansive, there's a lot going on, and I thought, you know what, let's talk about hair. Let's talk about expression. Whenever I'm in the salon talking about hair, I'm one of my happiest selves, and I thought, let's get into some levity. There's no one better to talk about hair with than Matt Newman, also known as Matt loves hair. Let's get into it. Matt, welcome to getting better.

0:23.7

Hi.

0:24.6

Queen. with, then Matt Newman, also known as Matt loves hair. Let's get into it. Matt, welcome to getting better. Hi. Queen, I'm so happy you're here. Now, will you please tell everybody that, like, the one piece of information that I didn't know until you sat your gorgeous self down in this chair just mere moments ago? That this is your... Oh, my God. This is my first ever podcast. That's outrageous. I can't believe. Nobody has ever invited me. Nobody cares what I think except my sweet Jonathan. Matt, that is not true. Oh my gosh. Everyone cares about what you think. I was just eating up your fucking mask and blow dryer content with a spoon, okay? Not even today prepping for this, just like in my natural life. Like, I always care about what you. Do not say that. Oh, my gosh. People really do care about what you think. Okay, you are so sweet. But honestly, Jonathan, you are the first person who ever really put some opportunities my way. Like all those years ago during COVID when I started with the content, you were the first

1:10.9

partnership I ever had where I was brought into something bigger than just...

1:14.6

2022.

1:15.2

2020.

1:15.7

Just like, up until that point, I'd worked with some brands.

1:18.0

I'd like filmed in the bathroom, wash your hair.

1:20.7

But Jonathan, first person to ever flued me out?

1:25.1

Business class to Miami?

1:26.5

My first ever... Wait, my first ever lie down flat flight experience was going, was LAX to Miami to come to your Art Basel activation. Yeah. Okay, wait, can I tell you, our old budgets at that old parent company were, there's a reason why they went bankrupt. Because those budgets were so sick. They were so good. I can, i love that i got to be that first experience thank you for sprinkling it on me yes honey anytime i can i'm always there so you have such a special place in my heart i remember the shirt i remember the black and white t-shirt dress i wore that day i saw your hair and you had the crock heels on and i remember being like oh, oh, I hope that Matt thinks that my technique is good.

2:02.3

And then you're like, oh, I love how you're keeping my ends out of the blow dryer. And then I was like, yes, honestly, we must protect the ends. Yeah. Protect the ends. My sad sentence. We go way back. It's a whole Olympic cycle now that we've been friends. It's 2022 to 26. That's like a literal whole Olympic cycle.

2:17.5

We've seen it all.

2:18.6

And like always in my heart is you cycle now that we've been friends. It's 2022 to 26. That's like a literal whole Olympic cycle.

2:17.6

We've seen it all. And like always in my heart is your support. And I feel so it just, it meant so much to me then. It's meant so much to me all the way till this day. I love you so much. I love you. I love you. I love your content. I love you. I understand you're amazing. You're the cutest. You are. So it's been since 2022.

2:34.3

And today what we're going to talk about is just like understanding hair better.

2:37.2

It's all about hair.

2:38.0

It's going since 2020. And today what we're going to talk about is just like understanding hair better. It's all about hair. It's giving industry. It's giving salon. It's giving consumer. It's giving like how can we navigate our relationship with our hair better? How can we like have more realistic expectations of our hair and kind of get like a lay of the land of like product wise like what's hot what are we doing what are we loving let's talk about this time when i took my friends to

2:57.9

hawaii and we got kicked out of this hotel for no fault of our own and then Airbnb literally

3:03.9

saved our life i rented us the cutest houseuda's house right off Lonikai Beach.

3:08.7

It was so affordable.

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