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Car pulls up on the other side of the pump, woman gets out, where her 20-year-old son gets out and takes a few steps to go prepay.

And she stood there with stress. She looked at him and said, let's do 20 dollars.

That's why we need greater supply of

natural resources to lower the cost for that woman. That's what we want to tell the stories at the

gas pump. This is your host, Scott Bertram. Welcome to the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, part of the

Hillsdale College Podcast Network. That was John Tillman. He's the

author of the new book, The Political Vice of the Radical Left Controls America and the path to

regaining our liberty. We go in-depth with John on today's program. Also, later on,

Luke Foster from Hillsdale in D.C. tells us all about the spirit of a gentleman. First.

We're joined now by John Tillman, who's CEO of the American Culture Project, one of the nation's most prominent leaders in the free market public policy area.

And he's got a new book, The Political Vice, How the Radical Left Controls America and the path to regaining our liberty.

It's right there. John, thanks so much for joining us. Great to be with you, Scott. Thanks for

having me. Good to talk to you again. The book attempts to answer this question. Why do all politicians,

whether they be Democrat, Republican, conservative, liberal, move to the left once in office.

And there's a device. It's real. There are diagrams that you've designed called the political

vice to help us describe this. Let's sketch this out because it'll help provide the basis for a lot

of the conversation to come.

What's the political vice as you describe it? Well, in the political vice, the politicians,

the political decision makers, mostly we think of elected officials, but it applies to anybody that has political power to make policy decisions. They're in the middle of the vice in the

traditional sense of it. And then on one side of the vice, it's a three-sided vice.

Think of it as the letter U. In the middle of that, you are the politicians, as I've said.

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