Hi, I'm Susie Larson. Here's the podcast from Susie Larson Live. Enjoy the conversation.

You're listening to an encore presentation of Susie Larson Live.

Welcome to Sissy Larson Live. I'm Sissy Larson, and always honored to get to spend this time with you.

In fact, I look forward to bringing you conversations every single day that hopefully inspire you in your faith walk,

the deep in your understanding of God's Word, and that heightens your awareness of his very real presence in your life.

Well, my guest today says that there are moments of crisis or even just minor disruptions that actually reveal

who we are, what we care about, what we're focusing on. So how do you determine if you're really

okay or if you're just sort of getting by and maybe ignoring some of the things that are kind

of brewing beneath the surface? How do you navigate your emotions when you feel like you want to freak out? And what does maturity and crisis look like? Well, one of my favorites gets to join us today. John Eldridge joins me to explore some of the answers to these questions. Get them on in just a moment. A announcement though we are a listener supported ministry and if

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and if you're already giving i just want to say a special thank you because we absolutely couldn't do

this without you and we wouldn't want to want every want every one of you, though, be a radio missionary. If you're ministered to by the content that you hear day in and day out on Faith Radio, tell your friends about us and share us with a friend. Either way, let's spread the good news together. And let me talk about my guest. We'll get this conversation started. John Eldridge is a best-selling author,

a counselor, a teacher. He's president, Wild at Heart. It's a ministry devoted to helping people discover the heart of God, recover their own hearts in God's love, and to learn to live in God's kingdom. John and his wife, Stacey, live near Colorado Springs, Colorado, and we get him on two, three times a year whenever we can. John, welcome back to the show. Thanks, Susie. Great to be with you. Looking so forward to the conversation,

and we start the show every day with the same question, and I know you're someone who, I mean, your whole ministry is built on intimacy with God. So as you spend time with the Lord, what's

you been talking about these days?

Well, I think we are going to get into that a bit today.

I think, Susie, I think he's calling his people deeper.

I think that some of the shallower parts of our lives are not going to be sufficient to handle the days ahead.

And the world is already a trying place. I mean, the world is already a very difficult place to thrive and to love people and to trust God.

But I think there is a move of God going on right now.

I see it.

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