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Ambition 2.0

How to Spot (and Survive) a Toxic Boss with Mita Mallick

Ambition 2.0

Girlboss

Entrepreneurship, Careers, Business

4.4 • 1.9K Ratings

🗓️ 12 May 2026

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

You've probably had one. Maybe you even have one right now. And if Glassdoor data is anything to go by, you're far from alone—mentions of "toxic boss" in workplace reviews have surged 6.7x since 2018. 🤯 This week, Amanda Goetz sits down with Mita Mallick—bestselling author, workplace culture expert, and self-described recovering people pleaser—to talk about the bad bosses we've all worked for, the ones we've quietly become, and how to tell the difference.  Mita's new book, The Devil Emails at Midnight, breaks down 13 archetypes of bad bosses (yes, they all have nicknames), and this conversation goes deep on the ones you'll recognize immediately—and the ones that are dangerously easy to miss. They get into why bad bosses are made, not born; what the midnight email really signals about a leader's psychology; and why toxic positivity might actually be the sneakiest trap for high-achieving women.  Over 70% of workers say they've quit a job because of a bad boss. This episode is for everyone who has—and everyone who's still figuring out whether they should. Key Takeaways Bad bosses are made, not born. The sneakiest toxic boss, The Cheerleader.  Demanding excellence and coaching excellence are not the same thing. Apologies are the most underutilized tool in leadership. Trauma from a bad boss follows you to the next job if you don't deal with it. Context matters. Not every bad boss is a reason to quit. Self-awareness is the non-negotiable foundation of good leadership.02:30 Intro 04:49 The 3 moments toxic leadership shows up  13:18 Why toxic positivity is the hardest boss to spot  17:25 What The Devil Emails at Midnight title really means  20:24 Why companies keep tolerating bad bosses  25:43 Mita was a micromanager too  29:08 Where to start if you have a toxic boss right now 31:14 How to survive without burning out when leaving isn't an option  33:05 The post-toxic-boss trauma nobody talks about  35:42 What the best bosses do differently  37:20 Rapid-fire questions GUEST LINKS IG: https://www.instagram.com/mita_mallick13/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mita-mallick/  Read The Devil Emails at Midnight: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781394316489  Read Reimagine Inclusion: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781394177097  FOLLOW THE PODCAST IG: https://www.instagram.com/girlboss/ | TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@girlboss  Amanda Goetz: https://www.instagram.com/theamandagoetz/  https://girlboss.com/pages/ambition-2-0-podcast  SIGN UP  Subscribe to the Girlboss Daily newsletter: https://newsletter.girlboss.com/  For all other Girlboss links: https://linkin.bio/girlboss/ ABOUT AMBITION 2.0  Powered by Girlboss, Ambition 2.0 is a podcast where we'll be exploring what it really means to "have it all" in work, family, identity, and self… and if it's actually worth it. Each week, you'll hear from hardworking women who've walked the tightrope of ambition. They'll share their costly mistakes, lessons learned, and practical tips for how to have it all and actually love what you have. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I didn't tolerate anyone screaming or yelling at me.

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So suddenly you show up in the workplace.

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This person and I didn't have children yet, like a toddler, throwing tantrums, throwing pens in the conference room,

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threw a Chanel shoe at a colleague, Mr. Head, true story, publicly, privately, berating, humiliating,

1:02.4

and just using fear as a way to motivate. Welcome back to Ambition 2.0, the podcast from Girl Boss, where we explore what it really takes and costs to have it all in work, family, identity, and self.

1:26.1

I'm your host, Amanda Gatz, two-time founder, five-time CMO, author of the best-selling book,

1:31.6

Toxic Grit, How to Have It All, and actually love what you have.

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I'm also a mom of three with one on the way.

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Probably shouldn't have worn stripes today, but we're just going to roll with it.

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Okay.

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I think today's conversation might be one of the

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most powerful conversations we've ever had on this podcast because it's something that I've

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