This is the 10% Happier Podcast. I'm Dan Harris.

Hey, gang, if you're not sleeping well, it is harder to do anything you care about. It's harder to get

healthier, to be more focused and productive, to be happier, to be more successful, to have good

relationships, all of it. I sometimes say that sleep is like the apex predator of healthy habits.

And yet, so many of us are getting terrible sleep because we don't

prioritize it because our work lives or our kids make it seemingly impossible because we're trying

so hard to get more sleep that we're in our heads about it or because we've told ourselves

a whole story about we're just not the kind of person who needs that much sleep and so we just

kind of live with it. Today you're going to meet somebody who decided that she was not going to live with it any longer, and she launched an extremely

detailed and systematic personal investigation. And luckily for us, she is a journalist,

so she documented the whole thing and gathered extremely useful, heavily vetted information

and insights that we can all use. Diane Macedo is a friend of mine.

She's a longtime colleague at ABC News.

She's the author of a book called The Sleep Fix, Practical proven and surprising solutions

for insomnia, snoring, shift work, and more.

She's an anchor and correspondent at ABC News.

She appears on such shows as Good Morning America, World News Tonight with David Muir and Nightline.

She's also the daytime anchor for ABC News Live, the streaming service.

In this conversation, we talked about key signs that you're not getting enough sleep, whether

sleeping pills work, when and how to find a sleep specialist, at home sleep solutions, how to

deal with performance anxiety around sleep, the difference

between sleep deprivation and insomnia, we talk about mindfulness and sleep, and the biggest

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