From the Center for European Reform, this is the CERR podcast.

Hello and welcome to another episode of the CER podcast.

My name is Sophia Besh.

I'm a research fellow at the Center for European Reform.

And this year I'm recording not from the London offices of the CIA, but from Digley Park,

because every year the Centre for European Reform takes around 50 of Europe's top economists,

policymakers and commentators to the Digli Park to discuss the great European questions of our time.

This year, the conference title is about as ambitious as it gets, how to save the EU.

And we've heard the first panel, who is opposed to the EU and why, and I am in conversation,

therefore, with Anand Menom and Yasha Munk. Anand Mennon is Professor of European Politics and Foreign Affairs

at King's College London. He directs the Economic and Social Research Council Initiative, the UK and the changing Europe.

Professor Brexit, Anand, welcome to the podcast.

Professor Brexit.

Oh, nice.

And Yasha Munk is a lecturer on government at Harvard University,

a senior fellow in the Political Reform Program at New America,

and also an executive director at the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change. Welcome,

measha. Thank you so much. So who is opposed to the EU and why? What I do not want to do

in this podcast is talk about the distinction between cultural motivators for populism and economic motivators for populism,

because whenever you ask social scientists either or a question, they will tell you that it's

something in between.

Because it's true.

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