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Just before this call I was actually on the phone with a good friend of mine who's a principal of a school in Philadelphia and he said we have to find a place between the Wild West and the yonder pouches. Both of those extremes are not helpful, right? Neither of those

help prepare kids to thrive in a future digital world.

Welcome to How-Toe, I'm Courtney Martin. All right, so it's back-to-school season.

I don't know if your experiences like mine, but I feel like I cannot get away from one conversation in particular.

It's a parent chit chat during drop-off, it's in the newspapers, not beds,

it's really everywhere, and it seems like we're all asking,

how far are we willing to go to keep our kids off of smartphones?

Schools are trying everything, right?

Detention, suspension, they're sticking phones in those weird old yonder pouches that strike me as very like

dystopian novel. Now this debate over kids and addictive screens is nothing new, right? We've been having the conversation for years, but public

alarms seem to sort of reach a fever pitch this past spring with the publication of

Jonathan Heights, The Anxious Generation. So in the book, which of course is a big bestseller because

parents are totally freaked out, Height argues that social media is almost solely to

blame for the skyrocketing prevalence of Gen Z mental health issues.

It's a big claim, right?

He suggests no smartphones before high school,

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