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Learn more at Canva.com. Welcome to Prop G on Getting Your Life Together, a special series where we're joined by Bill Burnett and Dave Evans, Stanford educators and best Best Selling Authors of Designing Your Life,

and most recently, How to Live a Meaningful Life. Gentlemen, welcome, and thanks for doing this.

Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us. We went to our listeners with one question. What's the

biggest thing holding your life back right now? Today, we try to help. We talk about burnout,

distraction, purpose, and building a life that

feels more intentional. All right, let's get into it. Our first question is, how do you build a

meaningful, intentional life when your attention is constantly being pulled apart by phones,

doom-scrolling, and the attention economy? So just some data here to set the table.

In 2025, Americans reported spending an average of five hours and 16 minutes per day on their phones, a 14% increase since 2024.

A study by Vision Direct projects that the average American adult will spend 44 years of their life looking at screens.

In 2025, researchers found that randomly moving internet access from smartphones produced a range of benefits, including improved mental health, subjective well-being, and the ability to sustain attention.

So, Bill, you go first, and then I'll ask for Dave to build on it.

Yeah, you know, this attention economy,

and it's horrible. I mean, I'm teaching at Stanford and the undergrads can't get off their phone.

The grad students can't get off their phone. We're really focused on trying to figure

how to help them with that. So one of the things is this whole doom scrolling thing, it's a dopamine

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