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In this episode, a follow-up to our special on resignations I speak to Mark Harper

the Conservative MP who resigned as immigration minister in 2014 and what is now seen as a

textbook way of resigning to clear the way for a

comeback later on. I began by asking him exactly why he had to go. So basically I

was the immigration minister and we were in the process of taking through the

what became the Immigration Act 2014 which was about making it more difficult to be in the United Kingdom if you weren't here legally.

Although I had done all the proper checks when I hired my cleaner that you're supposed

to do, you're supposed to look at their paperwork and check

that they are legitimately in the United Kingdom. Because I was doing the bill and so

you know every day we were doing sort of the tests and you you had a lot of

employer organizations going you know is this reasonable and all that kind of stuff.

I just thought I had this nagging thing at the back in my head that said I'll just go and

you know be like a hundred percent

absolutely certain that I'm completely you know clear as it were and so what I did

was which obviously wasn't open to me when I first hired the cleaner was I took the copies of the documents

I'd taken and I actually took them into the home office and said to my officials, go away and check these

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