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Talk about genius.

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I got to tell you, this was one of the hardest things I ever did and I almost just threw in the towel.

It was brutal.

Welcome to how to. I'm science writer David Epstein.

On last week's show, we met Barbara, a woman in her late 70s who's desperate to repair her relationship with her grown son.

This comes decades after Barbara's husband had an affair,

which led to a really messy divorce that fractured the family.

Barbara had to pick up the pieces of her life,

and she often wasn't there for her son Ethan like she wanted to be.

If you haven't already, you might want to go back and listen to last week's episode

to understand more of Barbara's backstory.

My feeling is that it may be too late, too much time has gone by.

I hope I'm wrong, but that nags at me, that this should have been done, you know, years

and years ago.

But our expert, developmental psychologist Amy Baker, thinks that there might be hope for Barbara

and her son Ethan,

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