I'm Autumn Brown, Front Woman of the Soul Pop Band, Autumn, a queer science fiction writer, a theologian, a mother of dragons,

and a healing justice facilitator for social movements living on Dakota and in a Shinabe

land currently known as Minneapolis.

And I'm Adrian Marie Brown.

I'm also a queer science fiction writer, but I'm not trying to, like, steal Autumn's Fire. But I also love to do those things. I love to do queer things. A luscious,

black, queer, witch writer, Auntie, an apocalyptic love scholar, a public conversationalist,

and a gardener of healing ideas. I live in the land of the Okunichi, Shikori, Shikori, Skorri, Skorri,

Tuskori, Ino, and Lummi peoples, currently known as Durham.

And this is how to survive the end of the world.

Our podcast about learning from apocalypse with grace, rigor, and curiosity.

The one thing that we can say we both do.

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Now, today we have guests with us who are friends, who are comrades, who are teachers, who are artists.

These people are like in my home, like literally.

I'm so excited to introduce their folks to you.

They are one of these, they're a pair, a pair of guests who came into my life in a way that was like

quite magical quite unexpected and like a lot of the things that brought them into my life have

like fallen away but they're the like gem they're the thing that was like oh I'm not letting

this part go this is this is forever love so'm going to introduce them to you now. I have

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