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10% Happier with Dan Harris

How To Relax The Need To Control Everything | Rosa Lewis

10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Media, LLC

Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.6 β€’ 12.9K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 22 April 2026

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

Plus: Navigating the "dark night of the soul," the power of saying "no," and how to be more present.

Rosa Lewis is a mystic, awakening guide, artist and writer. She is the author of many books, most recently Unlocking the Depths of Being: Wholehearted Presence for a Mystical Reality. The last two meditations on this playlist are related to her book.Β Β 

Join Dan and Emmy Award-winning journalist Allison Gilbert at 92NY on May 17th for a live conversation about how mindfulness can deepen connection and combat loneliness, available in person and via streaming. Register here.

Join Dan, Sebene Selassie and Jeff Warren for Meditation Party, a 3-day immersive retreat at the Omega Institute in Rhinebeck, NY, October 16–18, 2026. Register here.Β 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

This is the 10% Happier Podcast. I'm Dan Harris.

0:18.0

Hey, gang, one of the most venerable spiritual cliches is the notion of being present.

0:25.4

It may be a cliche and therefore slightly annoying, but it is also an incredibly important concept

0:31.0

and skill, being awake and alive to your life during this limited period of time when you're here on this planet.

0:39.5

So today we're going to talk about what being present actually means and then, crucially, how to actually do it.

0:47.1

My guest is a meditation teacher and self-described mystic named Rosa Lewis.

0:53.0

Rosa and I talk about why sadness and grief, which of course

0:57.0

nobody likes, can actually enable presence, the difference between feeling sadness and getting

1:02.7

lost in self-pity, why the so-called dark night of the soul is a very normal stage in spiritual

1:09.2

practice, why, and this is counterintuitive, but why

1:12.4

visualizing death can help you process the bad things that have happened to you, why saying

1:17.8

no can be a spiritual practice, and much more. Before we dive in, I just want to say that if you

1:23.2

want to meditate with me, I have two live in-person events coming up. On May 17th, I'll be at

1:29.3

the 92nd Street Y in New York City. I'll do a guided meditation, and then I'll talk about how

1:34.5

the practice can help you in this chaotic world, and then I'll take your questions. It's going to be

1:39.5

great. You should come May 17th, 92nd Street Y. Then in October, I'll be doing my annual meditation party

1:46.2

retreat with my friend Sebenace Salasi and Jeff Warren. It's a weekend thing at the Omega

1:50.9

Institute in upstate New York. It's really fun. We teach a bunch of different styles of meditation.

1:56.0

There's also time for Q&A and socializing and pickleball if you're into that kind of thing, your meditation practice

2:02.6

really can be improved by doing it in the carpool lane. So come hang with us. I'll put links

2:08.6

to both of those events in the show notes. And we will get started with Rosa Lewis right after this.

2:15.7

Most small business owners I know, and I would include myself in this category, lie awake running through mental to-do lists.

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