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Well, I just want to say, like, I haven't had a TV since high school. I read a paperbook every

two days. You know, I walk my dog in the park without a phone.

Like, I've been so thoughtful about this for so long. And yet, I am strapped to the internet for

hours and hours a day, 75% out of requirement, 25% out of fun. Or maybe it's the other way around.

Music requirement 25% out of fun. Or maybe it's the other way you're around.

This is how to.

I'm Charles Duhigg, and I have a confession to make.

I look at my phone way too much.

Just this week, in fact, these are all the times that I've looked at my phone when I should not have done it. There was a time that I was conducting an interview and I got momentarily bored and I glanced down at my phone. And then I came home that night and my wife was telling me about her day and I was in the other room and I was checking my email on my phone instead of paying attention to her. And then the next day I had dinner with my kids, but they were fighting with each other and I was just like done with it. and phone instead of paying attention to her. And then the next day, I had dinner with my kids, but they were fighting with each other, and I was just, like, done with it. And so instead of redirecting the conversation back to something pleasant, I glanced at my phone under the table. I didn't even have any email. I think I looked at Instagram. I am not proud of these moments at all. And I bet a lot of you feel the same way. And so this week we've got two experts

to help us solve what is a relatively recent problem in the annals of human problems. How to

put down your phone. First up is one of the sharpest writers about the internet and our digital

lives. My name's Gia Tolentino. I'm a staff writer at The New Yorker and the author of the essay

collection Trick Mirror, which just came out a couple months ago.

How much screen time did you have last week?

I have, let's see.

So I have a daily average of two hours, 42 minutes.

Mm-hmm.

What have you got?

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