Well, I just want to say like I haven't had a TV since high school. I read a paper book every two days, you know, I walk my dog in the park without a phone. Like I've been so thoughtful about this for so long and yet I am strapped to the internet for hours and hours a day 75% out of requirement 25% out of fun.

Or maybe it's the other way around.

This is how to.

I'm Charles Doohig, and I have a confession to make I look at my phone way too much. Just this week in fact these are all the

times that I've looked at my phone when I should not have done it. There was a time that I was conducting an interview

and I got momentarily bored and I glanced down at my phone.

And then I came home that night

and my wife was telling me about her day

and I was in the other room

and I was checking my email on my phone instead of paying attention to her.

And then the next day I had dinner with my kids, but they were fighting with each other and I was just like done with it.

And so instead of redirecting the conversation back to something

pleasant I glanced at my phone under the table I didn't even have any email I think I

looked at Instagram I am not proud of these moments at all and I bet a lot of you feel the same way. And so this week we've got two

experts to help us solve what is a relatively recent problem in the annals of

human problems. How to put down your phone.

First up is one of the sharpest writers

about the internet and our digital lives.

My name is Gia Toldontino.

I'm a staff writer at the New Yorker and the author of the essay collection Trick Mirror

which just came out a couple months ago. How much how much screen time did you have last week? I have let's see. So I have a daily average of two hours, 42 minutes. What have you got?

Five hours a day. Five hours a day. So, yeah, I wish I looked at my phone less, but I'd have to write about the internet.

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