I'm quite open minded, meaning, like, for instance, we got to know each other because I believe,

I knew about your channel, but I think after I went on Rogan and I talked about, I called it

Turkosterone and I got attacked by your community.

The first thing was your testosterone makes effort feel good. I think a lot of people really,

really identified with that clip from Lex's podcast,

and I did like a reaction to that. And I kind of just talked about, you know, the stress resilience

aspect and the kind of interactions with the neurological side of things. That was, that was where I

saw your stuff for the first time. And I was like, how have I not stumbled across? Like,

it's like so overlapping with my interests and then you made a comment like

they you know I appreciate the clip and blah blah blah and then after that when you went on

Rogan that's when you like really dived into stuff that was like right up my alley and I was

like this is a good one for sure yeah and I um no it's been great to get to be chatting back and forth

a lot lately because yeah after that of course you know, and yes, and I think we both agree now for the record. It's neither Turkestero nor Turkestrone. There is no official. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I guess technically there might be, but I mean, like, I'd have to talk to somebody who wrote the original literature on it, and maybe they don't even know. Who knows? Right. Exactly. Exactly. And what's,

what's interesting is that the online community of people seeking health information tend to

latch on to those details. What I like is when, what I like is how you have a more macroscopic view

and your thing. And I'm sure that I misspeak from

time to time. I'm a human being. And the fun is learning from one another. And, and, and certainly

that's been happening. I mean, I think there's so much interest now in things that relate to hormones

and hormone augmentation, optimization. And I'd be remiss if I didn't give a

nod to your colleague, Dr. Kyle Gillette, who, and I should be very clear. I think that I should have

said this earlier. Derek and I have no current business arrangement.

You know,

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