Welcome to Current Affairs. My name is Nathan Robinson. I am the editor-in-chief of Current Affairs

Magazine. I am joined today by Brian Capeman. He founded the Reducetarian Foundation, which is a

non-profit organization dedicated to reducing the consumption of animal products.

And in that capacity, he is the author of books such as The Reducetarian Solution and the Reducetarian Cookbook and the book Meat.

That's M-E-A-T. Meet Meath way.

How changing the way we eat can improve our lives and save the planet, which comes with some

effusive blurbs from some remarkable people. Dr. Jane Goodall said it's full of hope and

shows us how we can create a food system that will be more sustainable, healthier, and compassionate.

And chef Jose Andres, the World Central Kitchen, calls it a brilliant manifesto

for building longer tables through simple choices about the foods we eat with wisdom and humor.

Capeman elevates real solutions to transforming our food system and healing our planet. Brian,

Caitlin, welcome to current affairs.

Hey, hey, thanks so much for the introduction and for having me.

Well, let's start with, where I want to start is where you started the book, with what

is what you call the SAD, sad.

It's a standard American diet.

And I want to, you talk about what you grew up with, how you grew up eating, and how you changed

your mind.

And I just want to read a little bit here from your book about what you ate growing up

on Staten Island, a typical middle class family.

He said, what did we eat?

Meat, a lot of it. Your He said, what did we eat meat?

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