Let's be clear. We're not talking about being partisan and coming out on Team Red and Team Blue. I get that a lot of churches are doing that and that's their church growth strategy. We're not talking about doing that. We're talking about bringing Jesus's politic, the Kingdom of God, the servan of the Mount, to bear on the things that everybody's talking about.

So if everybody else is talking about these cultural topics but Christians aren't or the church isn't, then we've contributed to the problem that we're all now experiencing.

You're listening to Unbelievable with Justin Briley.

Hello, welcome along. Today it's politics on the menu, both in the US and the UK as I'm joined by Patrick Miller and Keith Simon of Truth Over Tribe.

And later on in the show by Christian MP and former Lib Dem leader Tim Farron on his new book, A Mucky Business. Welcome along.

And just a reminder, we've got a fantastic live show coming up very shortly. Tuesday, the 13th of December with Tim Keller as well.

You can join us 8pm in the UK. That's 3pm Eastern 12 noon in the US on Pacific time.

So if you want to be part of that, to ask your questions of the person who's been dubbed the pastor to skeptics in New York. He's a wonderful author, teacher, communicator, thinker.

Then do register for this live show with Tim Keller.

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We also of course launched our brand new apologetics online course as well. Last week, Science, Faith and the Evidence for God with John Lennox.

It was great to have John on the show. Almost 200 of you went for our 50% discount. So I hope you enjoyed the course and getting enrolled on it.

But we have extended a 30% discount on that new online course for the rest of the month. So it's not too late to bag yourself a deal.

If you want to get hold of that premier unbelievable.com slash Lennox. And again, the link is with today's show.

I'm going to be bringing you some of the feedback as well to last week's interview with John Lennox. It was lovely to catch up with John.

And a lot of you appreciated that as well. So we'll have that feedback at the end of today's show.

And a look ahead to what's coming up at the end of the year and in the new year as well. For now, let's get into today's conversation.

Really excited to be joined on the show today by Patrick Miller and Keith Simon.

Truth Over Tribe is the name of their new book and they host a podcast of the same name as well. They're both church pastors in the US.

And they wanted to address the increasing polarisation in politics, culture and Christianity that they've been witnessing in recent years.

And of course with Trump, set to return to contest the presidency again in a couple of years time.

And the cultural still in full swing. This is an interesting moment to be hosting such a show and writing such a book.

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