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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

How to oppose Trump without becoming more like him

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, News Commentary, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 22 January 2018

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

Krista Tippett is the host of the award-winning radio show and podcast On Being. In 2014, she was awarded the National Humanities Medal by President Barack Obama. For good reason. She's created, over decades, something rare in American life: spaces where people of different faiths, disciplines, and ideologies discuss divisive questions without becoming more divided, without losing sight of each other's humanity. Tippett comes from a political family, and spent her early adulthood working on Cold War policy in the shadow of the Berlin Wall. She was a wonk who talked SALT treaties and nuclear policy for a living. But she left that life, believing that there were harder, deeper questions that language wasn’t allowing her to explore, much less answer. I've been wanting to talk with Tippett because I think this is a moment that challenges our humanity as we engage in the daily thrum of politics. Trump makes everything he touches a bit Trumpier, he calls on our worst selves, he makes it seem more acceptable — even more necessary — to act more like him. And he degrades all of us in the process. It has never, to me, felt harder to keep hold of decency in public life than it is now. This is something Tippett has rare skill at. Here, she both offers and models an approach all of us can learn from. Walking the Pastures of Wonder by John O’Donahue Rilke’s Book of Hours: Love Poems to God, translated by Joanna Macy and Anita Barrows Let Your Life Speak, by Parker Palmer Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:15.0

I actually think we've been building to a truth crisis

0:19.3

of equating facts and numbers and truth.

0:25.8

Facts are relevant and numbers aren't relevant.

0:31.8

But they don't add up to the truth of a human being or of well-being.

0:48.3

Hello, welcome to The Asher Klein Show on the Vox Media Podcast Network.

0:52.3

Thank you.

0:52.8

I am grateful to all of you for trusting me on the Jaron Linear.

0:58.3

Jaron, God, I still can't say his name.

1:00.3

Jaron Linear?

1:01.3

I can't remember because you let me say it however I wanted.

1:03.3

Podcasts last week, I came out and I said I cannot describe it to you,

1:06.3

but you should download it and listen to it.

1:08.3

A huge number of you did.

1:09.3

It's been one of our more popular ones and a lot of people really liked it.

1:12.3

So I appreciate you letting me go into the weird a little bit and following me there.

1:17.8

And I'm glad so many of you have enjoyed it so much.

1:20.8

If you've not listened to that one, definitely give that a try.

1:22.8

My guess this week is Christa Tippett.

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