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How To! with Mike Pesca

How to Not Say "Um"

How To! with Mike Pesca

Peach Fish Projects

How To, Education

4.32K Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2026

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Relying on filler words like "um," "like," and "you know" is a universal habit that clutters our speech and betrays our nerves, but simply willing yourself to stop only makes the problem worse. Today on How To!, Mike Pesca is joined by renowned data journalist and author Nate Silver, who bravely steps up as the guinea pig to have his own fast-talking, filler-heavy conversational style diagnosed in real-time. Then, communications coach Michael Chad Hoeppner, author of Don't Say Um, steps in to break down the physical mechanics of communication—treating speaking as an athletic act—and offers actionable, kinesthetic strategies like "catching the ball" and "walking the fingers" to help anyone slow down, pause, and speak with confident precision.

Executive Producer Corey Wara

Edited by Geoff Craig

Booking by Ben Astaire

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Transcript

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0:00.0

There's an implied thing in what you said, which is the speaker is self-conscious, but you know

0:03.9

who else is self-conscious is the audience? I mean, at any given time, you're talking to an audience,

0:08.3

what are they thinking about you or their grocery list, and how their life is going off of rails,

0:13.2

and how this is going wrong, or how this is amazing? We're very preoccupied creatures with our own

0:18.0

circumstances. Welcome to how-to. I'm Mike Peska.

0:22.8

So one thing about hosting a podcast or podcasts and talking for a living is that there are

0:28.6

secrets, let us say, little tricks of the trade that aren't dishonest, but are a bit less

0:36.3

than totally above board, right?

0:38.3

And one is that with editing or retakes, you won't hear me say what you just heard me say.

0:45.3

Um, uh, right?

0:47.3

Those are called filler words, and we all use them.

0:50.3

Some of us use them more than others.

0:52.3

I think of former New York City Mayor

0:55.0

Ed Koch. I call him the human dial tone because his filler sound was

1:00.5

I think the British should be excoriated around the world today. The thought of their shipping.

1:12.6

Now, we would all love to eliminate filler words and speak with total fluidity and precision,

1:19.6

but our damn brains get in the way.

1:21.6

So what did we do? There's nothing we can do, right? Right?

1:26.6

There was only one Christopher Hitchens or Daniel Webster

1:29.9

or pick the most eloquent person you can conjure. Know what I'm saying? But I'm here to say

1:35.1

there is a thing or two we could do. But of course, the first step is knowing what's going on

1:41.2

and owning it. And this does carry a lot of risk. So I tapped a person

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