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How to Know What’s Real

How to Not Go It Alone

How to Know What’s Real

The Atlantic Monthly Group, LLC

Education, Self-improvement, Science, Social Sciences, Society & Culture

41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 26 June 2023

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

The values of individualism that encourage us to go it alone are in constant tension with the desire for community that many people crave. But when attempting to do things on our own, we may miss out on the joys of coming together. This season’s finale conversation features writer Mia Birdsong, who highlights the cultural and philosophical roots of Americans’ struggle to build community. In a culture pushing us to put our own oxygen mask on first, Mia argues for the quiet radicalness of asking for help and showing up for others. This episode was produced by Rebecca Rashid and is hosted by Julie Beck. Editing by Jocelyn Frank. Fact-check by Ena Alvarado. Engineering by Rob Smerciak. Special thanks to A.C. Valdez. The executive producer of Audio is Claudine Ebeid; the managing editor of Audio is Andrea Valdez. Be part of How to Talk to People. Write to us at [email protected]. To support this podcast, and get unlimited access to all of The Atlantic’s journalism, become a subscriber. Music by Arthur Benson (“Organized Chaos,” “Charmed Encounter”), Alexandra Woodward (“A Little Tip,” “Just Manners”), Bomull (“Latte”), Tellsonic (“The Whistle Funk”), and Yonder Dale (“Simple Gestures”). Also: If you have any comments or suggestions about the show, submit feedback at theatlantic.com/listener-survey. We'd love to hear from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:21.5

Julie, do you remember the first time I approached you in the office?

0:25.5

I remember it very clearly and I sent you a message from behind your desk saying,

0:31.2

hi, can I come to your desk while staring at you, sitting at your desk?

0:36.4

From, let's be clear, less than 10 feet away.

0:40.1

Yes, I was like, yes, you can.

0:44.7

I remember you being really tentative when you kind of crept up and I was like, you don't

0:50.4

have to ask permission to come say hi to me and then I was wondering whether I looked really

0:57.0

unapproachable or something but I was really excited to meet you because we'd been working together

1:01.7

on Zoom for a while but it was the first time we'd met in person and I promise that is not my

1:07.5

usual approach. I think I just forgot how to human a little bit and what it felt like to work

1:12.5

with people in an office. So I think I thought I was being polite but I maybe just made it a bit weird.

1:20.4

Hi, I'm Julie Beck, a senior editor at The Atlantic and I'm Becca Rashid, producer of the How-To

1:28.9

series. This is How to Talk to People. When Julie and I first got together to develop the series

1:37.1

after my awkward desk approach, we talked a lot about how we wanted the show to explore how small

1:43.5

everyday conversations can become the deeper connections that we want more of in our lives,

1:48.9

knowing how to talk to people isn't simply for the sake of starting conversation or fighting

1:54.1

through the awkwardness of small talk. The point is to ultimately reach a deeper understanding of

1:59.2

the people around us. What I've always wanted and what I think so many people long for is this

2:05.7

sense that you are part of a rich interconnected community, that you have an extended network of

2:12.0

support and love full of many different kinds of relationships that serve many different purposes.

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