We are back one last time with Sam Albury, an author, speaker, and minister at St. Mary's

Maidenhead, Anglican Church in the UK, and he joins us from his office in Oxford. Sam,

I want to talk with you about the sexual identity conversations you've had specifically

on secular college campuses. This is a huge question facing pastors and leaders. These

conversations are as potentially volatile as they are potent for good. Obviously speaking

of sexual practices and self-identity with biblical conviction and with humility, these

are conversations that open outreach opportunities like few other things do. From your experience,

what have you learned from publicly engaging LGBT societies on campus, and how can we

steward these types of conversations well? Yeah, thank you. It's no surprise to anyone

that this is a huge issue on our campuses at the moment, and my suspicion is that the

majority of people who are in ministry in campus contexts are pretty fearful of how this

issue may play out for them. There's that the fear that if you say anything remotely

orthodox and biblical on this issue that you'll be shut down immediately that you'll

have massive amounts of opposition, that is certainly a possibility, but nevertheless

I think there are just some wonderful opportunities to engage on this issue, and my encouragement

to pastors and to campus ministries out there is that actually there's a harvest to be

had on this issue. I've had some experience of doing this not a huge amount by any means,

but I've had a few opportunities to go on to secular campuses to talk and engage with secular

LGBT students, and I've really enjoyed it. I mean, it's been, I've been honest, it's been

a bit scary at times because you never quite know what kind of reaction you're going to

get, but I've really enjoyed it. And there's a few things that have been quite key takeaway

to me. The first is that actually many of these people we are nervous of because we think

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