How to make the mac and cheese that has the internet salivating
Here & Now Anytime
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🗓️ 21 November 2025
⏱️ 23 minutes
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And, roasting can bring out the flavors of vegetables with little effort. Resident chef Kathy Gunst shares tips for roasting and recipes that make squash, cabbage and other produce shine.
Then, a stew is not a soup, and a soup is not a stew. In general, a stew is thicker and more of a comfort food that sticks to the ribs. Gunst details some recipes for hearty stews, perfect for winter.
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| 0:00.0 | WBUR Podcasts, Boston. |
| 0:06.6 | You have to shred the cheese yourself. |
| 0:08.9 | You cannot use pre-sreaded. |
| 0:10.5 | That is my number one thing. |
| 0:12.3 | Do not use pre-sreaded because it's going to be grainy and it's just not going to be creamy. |
| 0:17.8 | It's time to get the groceries for Thanksgiving, |
| 0:20.2 | and we've got some things that you need to know. If you time to get the groceries for Thanksgiving, and we've got some things that you |
| 0:21.7 | need to know if you want to make the perfect mac and cheese. |
| 0:35.5 | It's Friday, November 21st, and this is here and now anytime from NPR and WBWR, Boston. |
| 0:41.5 | I'm Chris Bentley. |
| 0:46.0 | Today on the show, kitchen inspiration for Thanksgiving and beyond. |
| 0:50.8 | Everything you need to know about roasting vegetables, including how to avoid that tragic fate of having a soggy sheet pan. |
| 1:00.1 | Also, recipes for stew season, from slow-roasted pork to chieopino to Indian spiced vegetable stew. |
| 1:09.1 | It's got garlic and chilies and ginger, |
| 1:11.4 | and then it's got cinnamon and turmeric and cumin and fennel, |
| 1:14.8 | and then you add potatoes, winter squash, and chickpeas, and then water. |
| 1:20.0 | But first, if you're hosting Thanksgiving next week, good luck. |
| 1:25.5 | If you're just rolling up with a couple bottles of wine, |
| 1:28.5 | respect. But if you want to pitch in and bring aside to dinner, you better make it count. |
| 1:35.1 | With apologies to the vegans and lactose intolerant, there's nothing like a great mac and cheese. |
| 1:42.5 | Tina Tienika Teeny Younger knows that well. |
| 1:45.5 | Her recipe went viral in 2023 and has become a staple for home chefs ever since. |
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