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Welcome to the HBR idea cast from Harvard Business Review. I'm Alison Beard.

When it comes to career, it's easy to focus on the near term. The next meeting, project,

promotion, the global pandemic forced us into even shorter term thinking. We were all triaging

work and life to make it through, which led many of us to burnout. A lot of people even

quit their jobs. Our guest today wants everyone to step back and take a breath. She are used

that it's always a good time to think about long-term career goals, but it's particularly

valuable now as we figure out what the new normal is going to look like. Maybe you realize

you don't like the work you're doing. Maybe you do think you're on the right path,

but you don't feel like you're progressing fast enough toward the C-suite or whatever

your higher aspirations are. For everyone out there feeling confused or frustrated about

what they want and how to get there, this episode is for you. Dory Clark is a consultant

who teaches executive education courses at Duke University in Columbia Business School.

She's the author of the book The Long Game, how to be a long-term thinker in a short-term

world, and the HBR article Feeling Stuck or Stymied now is the time to build your career

with strategic patience. Dory is so excited to chat today.

Allison, it's great to be here.

So first, I have to ask the expert on thinking long-term, do you struggle yourself with trying

to balance short-term tasks, emergencies with your bigger career goals, especially right

now? Well, I'll tell you, I have never been good at medium-term thinking. That's always

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