living systems of which we are one. We really like stability and there's no denying that,

but that stability is a moving target and the only thing that is true is that everything changes.

So if we're going to go through cycles of order, disorder

reorder, it's helpful to have some skills for what to do during the disorder phase because

the disorder phase is inevitable. Change is not something that happens to us or something that we can try to escape or avoid.

It is simply part and parcel of even the most average human existence.

So change is hard. Let's be honest, most of us prefer certainty and stability. We really

long to just plant our feet on solid ground. But what if that solid ground is just an illusion? What if embracing

change led to our greatest growth? My guest today is Brad Stelberg, best-selling author of the

new book Master of Change, How to Excel when everything is changing,

including you.

In our conversation, Brad upends conventional wisdom around change and impermanence, showing

how we can actually harness cycles of instability to become our best cells.

Brad writes for the New York Times and his work has been featured in the Wall Street Journal,

and the Atlantic, among many other publications.

He's on the faculty at the University of Michigan's Graduate School of Public Health and lives

in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Western North Carolina.

And over the past few years, Brad's own life has been a torrent of change, moves new

parenthood, career shifts, and painful family estrangement.

Out of this personal experience emerged a burning curiosity about our cultural obsession with, quote,

getting back to normal after disruption.

In this eye-opening discussion, Brad shares what he discovered through extensive research and reporting

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