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What Next - How To Lose a Government Shutdown

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🗓️ 11 November 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

It has been the longest government shutdown on record. Why did the Democrats choose this moment—right after elections proved how unpopular Donald Trump and his policies truly are—to cave in and end it?

Guest: Jamelle Bouie, New York Times opinion columnist.

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0:44.6

And I wanted to talk to someone about it.

0:49.8

So, Jamel, now that it seems like the shutdown is ending, can you tell me what was the last

0:57.0

six weeks about?

0:59.8

What was the last six weeks about?

1:02.2

Yeah.

1:04.3

Late Sunday night, as you've probably heard, eight Senate Democrats decided to vote with

1:09.8

Republicans to pass a continuing resolution to fund

1:13.0

the government. This, after sitting on their hands for six weeks, in the hopes that Republicans

1:19.1

would sign off on extending a bunch of health care tax credits that expire at the end of the year.

1:25.0

In the end, Democrats compromised, but those ACA credits, they are still

1:29.5

expiring. And beyond a vague promise to hold a vote on them in December, Democrats did not

1:35.8

get squat. That's what really nodded at me. Hence they call to Jamel.

1:41.4

To step back a little bit, shutdowns as a political tactic have never been especially successful

1:47.3

for the party that engages in them, which is the congressional minority party.

1:52.7

So were the Democrats destined to lose here?

1:54.9

So, yeah, that's where I'm going to, I'm going with this.

1:56.9

I'm not sure that there is a world in which the majority, Republicans in Congress and

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