How to live with wildfires
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🗓️ 15 January 2025
⏱️ 23 minutes
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Summary
The Los Angeles fires are a warning to all of us. Over the past week, lives, homes, businesses and entire communities have been lost in what’s expected to be among the nation’s costliest disasters ever. But with more than one-third of the U.S. population living in counties with high wildfire risk, this begs the question: Should lots of people relocate? Crystal Kolden, director of the Fire Resilience Center at the University of California at Merced and a former wildland firefighter, said abandoning these places isn’t the only option. On the show today, Kolden explains why the L.A. fires have been so tough to put out, why wildfires are different from other natural disasters like hurricanes and floods, and how devastated communities can rebuild in a way that makes them more resilient to future fires.
Later, a listener shares a teamwork approach to cleaning up after a house party. And, Brad Stulberg, author of “Master of Change,” was wrong about how to find motivation.
Here’s everything we talked about today:
- “L.A. Fires Show Limits of America’s Efforts to Cope With Climate Change” from The New York Times
- “Column: Recovery will be tempered by hard decisions and, if we aren’t careful, inequality” from The L.A. Times
- “Palisades and other Southern California fires could be most expensive in US history” from LAist
- “More People Are Living in the Riskiest Wildfire Zones” from Bloomberg
- “‘Zone Zero’ Mandates Near Completion for High Wildfire Risk Areas” from the Sierra Club
- “‘Conditions’ should be placed on California wildfire aid: House Speaker Mike Johnson” from USA Today
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Adams. |
| 0:08.6 | Welcome back to Make Me Smart, where none of us is as smart as all of us. |
| 0:12.4 | I'm Kyle Resdahl, Tuesday, 14 January, back at work, thankfully. |
| 0:17.7 | Back in my house, that whole deal. |
| 0:19.6 | Yeah, it was a little hairy. |
| 0:22.1 | It was a little hairy. Anyway, so we're going to talk about the LA fires and more importantly, the LA fires and all the rest of us because maybe it's |
| 0:27.9 | not coming quite the way it did here, but it's all coming for all of us. Right. The it coming for all of us |
| 0:34.5 | is climate change. I mean, these fires obviously have taken lives, homes, businesses, whole communities. |
| 0:41.1 | This is going to likely be one of the costliest disasters ever in the United States. |
| 0:45.9 | So we want to know more about the role that climate change is playing in these disasters, how communities can adapt to increasing wildfire risk, and also how we can |
| 0:56.3 | make the recovery process work better for more people. So for that, Crystal Colden is here to make |
| 1:02.9 | a smart. She's a director of the Fire Resilience Center at the University of California, Merced, |
| 1:08.2 | and a former wildland firefighter. Welcome to the show, Crystal. |
| 1:12.4 | Thanks for having me. So as somebody who has fought wildfires, what stands out to you about |
| 1:19.6 | some of the conditions that these firefighters in L.A. are up against? So what's really challenging |
| 1:27.1 | for firefighters in these particular fires is that, first of all, it's January. |
| 1:34.0 | And while it's not unheard of to have wildfires in January in Southern California, we normally don't see them of this magnitude. |
| 1:47.8 | And specifically, the types of really strong, hot, dry Santa Ana winds that fueled these fires this last week and the extremely dry |
| 1:56.2 | condition of the fuel that produced just the incredible fire behavior that challenged firefighters. And what we saw, |
| 2:04.5 | of course, was that you just can't control the fire when it is burning this intensely and with the |
| 2:12.9 | types of flames we saw and the extreme ember showers that just blew everywhere. |
| 2:18.9 | Also, the speed of this whole thing, right, Crystal? I mean, it happened so fast. |
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