This is the Gary V. Audio Experience.

Hey, everybody. It's Gary Vaynerchuk.

Super excited to do interview on the podcast as a lot of, you know,

pretty infrequent these days given the global situation.

But leadership is something that I am very, very passionate about.

And my steam guest here, David Rubenstein, who I'm going to let introduce

himself and create some context for you both about his co-founding of the

iconic Carlisle group, but also the book that he's written.

And I think we're going to get into a fun conversation.

So David, welcome to the show.

My pleasure to be here.

Thank you, my friend.

Why don't you give the Vaynernation the audience here a little context of

your professional career and then we'll maybe bounce around and ask

a couple questions and then we'll go into the book.

Hey, I was trained as a lawyer.

Wasn't that good at that.

So I got out of that, went to work at the White House,

or President Carter.

Wasn't that good at that.

So I got out of that.

I went back to practice law.

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