We're there to fix our eyes on God's glory in Christ.

You know, he said, let light shine out of darkness.

It's also shown in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

That's what we're there to do.

And so, hey, Jesus is more impressive than all of us.

So I'm just, I'm just, you know, in front of people to say, look to him. The best we can be is a

signpost. We're not, we're not the main event.

Welcome to the Crossway podcast, a show where we sit down with authors each week for thoughtful

interviews about the Bible, theology, church history, and the Christian life.

I'm Matt Tully, and today I'm talking with Bob Coughlin.

Bob is a pastor, a songwriter, and a well-known worship leader.

After pastoring for 12 years, he became director of Sovereign Grace Music in 1997,

and currently serves as an elder at Sovereign Grace Church in Louisville, Kentucky.

Bob's also the author of Worship Matters, leading others to encounter the greatness of God from Crossway.

Today, Bob and I discuss his work as a songwriter and worship leader.

He reflects on how God led him into a career in music,

what his process looks like when it comes to writing songs for the church,

and what it's like to lead a crowd of thousands in worship

at a conference like Together for the Gospel.

Let's get started.

Well, Bob, thank you so much for joining me today on the Crossplay podcast.

My Joy.

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