Welcome to the Jasmine star show. Today we are talking about a lot of layers of leadership,

but perhaps from a different angle. I am very excited because Adam and Kelly are like

the ultimate duo. I have been stalking them. It's kind of like Batman and Robin. So let's

just hit the ground running. Adam is the founder and Haley serves as a chief of staff and they

help leaders today to become leaders of tomorrow. Now if you're anything like me and you're

wondering chief of staff, isn't that not a term that we hear on West Wing? I didn't even

know what a chief of staff was honest to God hand to heaven to like two years ago. I was

like, they exist in the business world. So we're going to start right there, Adam and

Haley, whoever wants to hit the ground running. Before we actually get into the frameworks

and talking about developing leaders and becoming another dynamic duo, can you describe

chief of staff and what their role is in an organization?

I'm actually curious to see who is actually Batman and who's Robin. So Adam, you're CEO,

so you're clearly Robin. You know, like, as most of chiefs of staff do from what I have

learned. So that's probably a great place to start because people are hearing this and

they wait a minute. A CEO can be Robin. And I'm like, that is my ambition, baby. That

is my ambition. So let's start crafting this terminology of chief of staff.

Sure. Sure. So I started my career as an executive assistant and that's kind of how

my journey went from an executive assistant to a chief of staff. We talk about it in terms

of the sports multiplier very often because sometimes titles get a little tricky. Like

my version of a chief of staff may actually operate as an executive assistant in another

company. And someone's executive assistant may actually operate as, you know, a deputy

chief of staff at another organization. So for us, we usually use the term force multiplier

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