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Good morning. This is Laura.

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Today's episode is going to be a slightly longer one, part of the series where I interview fascinating people about how they take their days from great to awesome and any advice they have for the rest of us. So today I am delighted to welcome Helen Tupper to Before Breakfast. Helen is the co-author with Sarah Ellis of the new book, Learn like a Lobster. So Helen,

welcome to the show. Thank you so much. I'm excited to talk. Yeah. Well, why don't you tell

our listeners a little bit about yourself? Well, I run a company called Amazing If, and we have a

mission to make squiggly careers better for everybody, which is really the idea of non-linear becoming normal,

which has been talked about for a while, but what we tend to find is that often individuals don't

have the skills to make that possible, like what are the skills I need to manage my squiggly career,

and organisations aren't always set up to support them.

So in our work, we worked with large companies all over

the world to support skills and structures for squiggly careers. And along the way, we've learned a lot

about learning, which led to our third book, Learned Like a Lobster. And I'm sure everyone listening to

this is like, what on earth? A lobster? So why a lobster? Well, I'm going to say why learning first?

Because I think that is, that is the most important thing. So on this sort of journey on Squiggly

careers, what we have seen is that the people that are most adaptable at work, the people that are

most resilient to change, the people that create the most opportunities for their

career are the people that are most able to learn at work. And it's sort of an easy thing to say,

but it is not an easy thing to do because people say, well, I kind of get I need to learn,

but I don't have the time to do it. I find it too hard to work out when in my week I'm supposed

to add on learning when I've already

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