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What happens when you grow up in a home where art isn't something you go see, but something you create to survive?

Rosby Simpson would know.

She comes from a line of clay artists stretching back generations.

She also builds custom lowrider cars.

And if that sounds like a contradiction, it's kind of the point.

I look at a car and I don't see the car.

I see what it could be.

I look at a garden and I don't see the garden.

I see what it could be.

And then I begin. Rose grew up in Santa and I don't see the garden. I see what it could be and then I begin.

Rose grew up in Santa Clara Pueblo, New Mexico. Raised by her mother, the sculptor Roxanne Swenzel,

in a home where the electricity was sometimes deliberately turned off and art was indistinguishable

from life. In this conversation with Design Matters podcast host Debbie Millman,

she explores what it means to treat everything,

a ceramic figure, a car, a room, your own body, as a vessel.

They talk about what it means to listen to the world around you,

and Rose reminds us that we are never as powerless as we think.

There wasn't a difference between art and life.

Everything was a creative process and everything was applied,

and everything had intention and meaning.

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