How To Invest In OpenAI and Anthropic Before They Go Public | Ankur Nagpal
The Pomp Podcast
Anthony Pompliano
4.6 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 7 July 2026
⏱️ 45 minutes
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Summary
Ankur Nagpal is the GP of USVC, a publicly accessible venture capital fund. In this conversation, we break down how retail investors can now access private markets like OpenAI, Anthropic, and SpaceX for as little as $500, and the controversy around USVC's Anduril investment, portfolio strategy, QSBS, tax alpha, and what it means to build wealth in America.
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- 0:00 - Intro
- 1:07 - The case for & against private market investing
- 9:27 - Inside USVC's fund structure (open to anyone with $500)
- 12:59 - What's in the USVC portfolio right now
- 14:44 - The Anduril SPV controversy explained
- 19:38 - Buying out LP stakes in venture funds
- 23:42 - Private markets vs S&P
- 25:34 - Lessons from AngelList's data on portfolio construction
- 30:44 - Why AI is no longer just a category & due diligence
- 34:16 - Biggest risks & tax alpha with USVC
- 39:22 - Sticking to the plan amid market change
- 40:43 - Working with Naval and what America means to Ankur
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| 0:52.2 | Hi Hot Take is one of the many reasons that the general public doesn't love AI is they're not benefiting from any of the economic boon it's given, right? |
| 1:02.3 | Like, who are the people who love AI? |
| 1:04.2 | The venture capital is people getting paid really high salaries. |
| 1:07.3 | The average American is fully locked out of that wealth creation. |
| 1:44.3 | And then I think the companies are realizing that. They're like, okay, fine, if I can give the average American is fully locked out of that wealth creation. And then I think the companies are realizing that. They're like, okay, fine. If I can give the average Americans some piece of that wealth creation, they'll start feeling more favorably towards it. What's going on, guys? Today we have a great conversation with Ankara Nag Paul. He is the GP of USVC. And we talk about the state of private markets, whether you should invest in private markets, what are the pros, the cons, how you should allocate your capital in your portfolio. And then we talk about USVC, which is a brand new type of public access venture capital fund. It gives people exposure to private markets, but it does so in a somewhat liquid format. So we talk about what are the risks, what are the advantages, and how should you actually think about this type of asset in your portfolio? This conversation is wide ranging, because we talk about different themes in private markets, what some of the risks are. We even go over a controversy that recently USVC caught themselves in, and I think that you're going to find this conversation very, very interesting. Here's my latest conversation with Anker Nagpal. All right, let's talk through private market investing. I can make a very strong argument that it is not worth investing in private markets anymore. I also think I can make an argument that it is worth doing. And I think that's part of the controversy as to what people are trying to figure out here. Let's start with maybe the argument as to why people are saying it's not worth investing. I know a lot of friends who do angel investing, they're like, somehow I've lost all the money. |
| 2:19.4 | It's like the best way to go broke is just keep giving money to people who are trying to build something that's nearly impossible. It doesn't work. The second thing is a math argument. So I think the average venture fund is reported to be like 17, 18 percent return. if you look at the NASDAQ historically over the last decade or so, it's somewhere in the like 12 to 13% range depending on the exact dates. |
| 2:37.0 | Okay, so if you get 400 basis points of outperformance or so, then I think a lot of people say it's worth locking up your capital. But as the NASDAQ has done much better, and the venture funds, people are trying to figure out how much of those papermarks are real or not, Maybe the outperformance is really like 100 basis points. |
| 2:51.9 | And maybe that's not worth me locking up my capital. So how are you thinking about the argument for |
| 2:56.6 | people to invest in private markets right now? Yeah. So I think private market investing is one, |
| 3:01.3 | I don't think everyone should invest in private markets. I think private market investing is something |
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