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The Strength Running Podcast

How to Improve the 3 Running Thresholds (Z2, LT, and VO2 Max), with Phil Batterson, PhD

The Strength Running Podcast

Jason Fitzgerald

Fitness, Sports, Running, Health & Fitness

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 28 August 2025

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Summary

Phil Batterson is a competitive runner, former running coach, and the founder of Critical Oxygen. Phil has a PhD in human bioenergetics and a love for all sorts of endurance sports, from rowing to track and field and ultras. His goal with Critical Oxygen is to teach athletes and coaches how to optimize their physiology to maximize endurance performance.

This episode is important and is a repost of episode 330 from 2023.

Phil breaks down some of the complex physiology behind the three different thresholds to make it more accessible, as well as providing practical ways to apply it in training. Some of our discussion includes:

  • Phil's journey into endurance training and exercise science
  • What physiology defines each of the three thresholds
  • How runners can determine their own thresholds
  • The importance of lactate threshold work for race preparation
  • Common mistakes when using training zones
  • How to integrate VO2 max work with cross training

Whether you like to geek out on physiology or just want to race faster, you'll learn a lot from my conversation with Phil!

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Ready, set, go!

0:04.4

This is episode 421 with competitive runner, prior collegiate track athlete, former running coach,

0:12.0

the founder of Critical Oxygen, and Human Bioenergetics Ph.D., Phil Batterson.

0:28.5

Welcome to the Strength Running podcast.

0:31.8

We surround you with the same experts as pro-runners.

0:39.5

So keep listening to hear coaches, physical therapists, strength experts, dietitians, sports psychologists, and other thought leaders give you the best guidance possible to take your running to the next level. I'm your host,

0:45.3

coach Jason Fitzgerald. I'm a former cross-country and track athlete for Connecticut College. I've

0:50.1

been coaching runners since 2010, and I used to write for Trail Runner Magazine and

0:54.8

Runner's World.

0:55.9

Today, I'm the head coach of Strength Running, host of this podcast, and author of the

1:00.1

Performance Training Journal now available on Amazon.

1:03.6

You can learn more about me and strength running at strengthrunning.com.

1:08.3

All right, guys, thankfully, I am now fully recovered from my epic 27-mile hike last

1:14.2

weekend. I completed the four-pass loop, which was like outside of Aspen and Crested Butte,

1:20.1

Colorado. It ended up being my longest endurance activity ever. So I've never actually finished

1:26.2

an ultramarathon, so going a little bit longer than a

1:29.1

marathon was new territory for me. And even though we were hiking, covering that distance on technical

1:35.8

terrain with about 8,000 feet of elevation gain was just so incredibly challenging. I thought I

1:41.9

had actually hurt my knee near the end of the hike, but a few

1:45.5

days out, I'm feeling 100%. And there's now a video on Strength Running's YouTube channel highlighting

1:51.7

the gear, some of the clothing, and the nutrition that I used to get me through it. So check that

1:57.1

out if you're interested. Search for us on YouTube, or you can use the link in the description of this episode. And a huge thanks to our brand partners who help make this podcast

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