Welcome to Edit Your Life, a podcast to help you edit the unnecessary from your life so you have more room to enjoy the awesome.

Through episodes with me, Christine Coe, and a range of smart, compassionate guests, you will come away with insights and tactics to help you find the agency and space to simplify

and declutter your home, time, mental space, and more.

Friends, these are hard and challenging times that we are living through, and also hard and

challenging times are not new. So I'm especially excited to introduce you to the wonderful Dr. Suzanne

Song, who I chat with in a conversation anchored around her new book, Why We Suffer and How We

Hear, Using narrative, ritual, and purpose to flourish through life's challenges.

Dr. Song has had a fascinating professional trajectory,

as well as at times a gut-wrenching personal one. We talk about reframing instability as an

invitation to transformation. We talk about the important tools of narrative, ritual,

and purpose, and a whole lot more. Let's get right to the conversation. Hello and welcome Dr. Suzanne Song. I'm so delighted to have you on the mic today. Hello. Hi. Thanks so much for having me here. Yes. Well, this is exciting. We've got two Koreans on the mic. This is a first, well, this is a second. The first was my mother

a couple years ago. Oh, wow. I'm so honored. Yeah, which was an amazing episode. And so I'm,

I can't wait to share this with her and her entire church community, Shirley. And I will have

introduced your work in the introduction. So I'd like to jump right in because I have a whole lot of

questions for you. And first, I should say, congratulations on this incredible book, which is

both helpful and practical, but also, of course, very storytelling driven and compelling. So I'm

sure it took a lot of work and emotional energy and all the things

to pour into it. So congratulations. Yes. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah. Okay. Let's dive in. So I would love to

start this conversation by talking about what seemed to me to be a very important reframe in your work.

You believe that instability

provides an opportunity and you actually refer to it as an invitation to transformation.

So you write, the more tightly you grip the illusion of stability, the more disoriented you

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