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I think there's very few people that are satisfied with the current system.

The question of what to do about it is a challenging one.

I do offer some ideas in the closing chapters, but essentially they boil down to dial back

the top-down managerialist control that tends to treat every patient exactly the same.

This is your host, Scott Bertram. Welcome to the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, part of the Hillsdale

College Podcast Network. That was Dr. Aaron

Carriotti, author of the new book Making the Cut, How to Heal Modern Medicine. We'll talk

in depth with him on today's program, and later on Dr. Bill McLeay from Hillsdale's

History Department. He'll talk with us about his latest book, Jewish Roots of American Liberty.

First, we're joined by Dr. Aaron Carriotti. He is a physician specializing in psychiatry,

also director of the program in bioethics, technology, and flourishing at the Ethics and Public

Policy Center and author of the new book, Making the Cut, How to Heal Modern Medicine.

Aaron, thanks so much for joining us.

Great to be with you, Scott.

Thanks for having me.

Enjoyed the book and a little surprised at the beginning when we find out that, I don't know,

how would I say it?

Medicine wasn't necessarily a passion for you.

You weren't locked into being a doctor when you were growing up. How do you think

that perspective perhaps changes the way you think about and perhaps analyze what's happening in

that industry? So I've always been, I think a little bit of both an insider and an outsider to

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