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People I (Mostly) Admire

How to Have Great Conversations (Update)

People I (Mostly) Admire

Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Society & Culture

4.62K Ratings

🗓️ 20 September 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

"The Power of Habit" author Charles Duhigg wrote his new book in an attempt to learn how to communicate better. Steve shares how the book helped him understand his own conversational weaknesses.

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0:00.0

Today's episode is an encore presentation of a conversation I had with best-selling author Charles Duhigg.

0:10.0

Much of the discussion centered around how to have great conversations, the topic of his latest book.

0:16.0

One thing I learned talking to Charles is that he doesn't just write about super communicators. He absolutely

0:22.2

is one himself.

0:30.2

My guest today, Charles Duhigg is a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and the author

0:34.6

of Blockbuster bestsellers, including The Power of Habit.

0:38.3

He's got a new book out entitled Super Communicators, How to Unlock the Secret Language of Connection.

0:45.1

And I found out that we're actually living through a golden age of understanding the neurology

0:49.3

and psychology of communication. So there's a lot of insights that can help us.

0:57.6

Welcome. of communication. So there's a lot of insights that can help us. Welcome to people I mostly admire with Steve Levitt.

1:04.6

I honestly believe that understanding how to have great conversations is one of the most

1:09.2

valuable and underappreciated skills a person can develop.

1:12.6

I wouldn't have said that three years ago, but having this podcast has led me to think a lot about conversation.

1:18.0

In the two weeks since I read Charles Duhigg's book, I've tried hard to put the book's ideas into practice,

1:22.9

and I have to say, it has been shocking to me how powerful these tools are.

1:32.0

So you've got a brand new book, and it's called Super Communicators, How to Unlock the

1:37.2

Secret Language of Connection. I'm just imagining that if I'd written that book, I would feel

1:42.5

tremendous pressure to be an amazing conversation partner.

1:46.5

And I would hate to have that expectation always hanging over me. Do you feel the pressure I'm

1:52.6

describing? Only in one context, which is that ever so often now my wife, during a dinner time

1:57.9

conversation, when I've like monologued for the last seven or eight minutes,

2:01.4

we'll say, you know, there's this book about communication that I think you could read that would

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